Follow-up on Sweden's effort to shed immigrants: too late

Swedish Left Wins Tiny Majority, on Backs of Muslim Voters

It was bound to happen in a country where 27 percent of the population is foreign-born or second-generation immigrants. The ruling conservative coalition lost its majority by a razor-thin margin, and that razor-thin margin was provided by non-native voters, who constitute about 13 to 14 percent of the electorate. 

The left-wing bloc is projected to win 176 seats in Parliament, while the right-leaning bloc is likely to net 173 seats, putting them just below the number needed for a majority. So far, 95 percent of the votes have been counted, and these are just projections, of course, but the results are likely to hold. 

Nobody is disputing that the margin of victory was Muslim voters, who cast their ballots overwhelmingly for left-leaning parties in the likely ruling coalition. In Muslim dominated areas, the left-wing parties gained almost 100 percent of the votes. 

The shift in the number of votes between the parties was negligible — the two major blocs in Parliament received almost the same percentage of votes as in the last election. One factor drove the results almost entirely: a demographic shift in the voting base over the past few years. A few hundred thousand Swedish voters had died, and a few hundred thousand new migrants were granted citizenship. 

Back in the 80s, Microsoft had zero lobbyists in Washington. Clinton's DOJ sued them on anti-trust grounds, and by the time the dust cleared, the company had 100 + lobbyists in the swamp

Stephen Green:

The AI 'Pause' Might Not Be What You Think it Is

Anthropic co-founder Dario Amodei shocked the world this weekend with an essay arguing that "We must slow the pace" or even "pause" AI development, including a call for government regulation "focused on keeping capabilities in balance with safety." More shocking was that Amodei's call was echoed by OpenAI CEO Sam Altman and X owner Elon Musk.

But I wasn't shocked. I've heard this tale before — from the other side.

In the waning weeks of the Biden Cabal, billionaire investor Marc Andreessen described administration efforts to effectively cartelize the AI industry, putting it tightly in Washington's grip.

According to Andreessen, Biden officials told him that "AI is going to be a game of two or three big companies working closely with the government." 

"We had meetings in DC," he went on, "and the meetings were absolutely horrifying. They said, look, AI is a technology basically, that the government is going to completely control. This is not going to be a startup thing. They, they actually said flat out to us, don't do AI startups like, don't fund AI startups. It's not something that we're going to allow to happen."

So far, so fascist. But it gets worse.

Andreessen also said, "I'm paraphrasing, but we're going to basically wrap them in a government cocoon. We're going to protect them from competition, we're going to control them, we're going to dictate what they do."

The most powerful software in the world, under the control of a multitrillion-dollar Deep State.

…. That isn't to say there aren't dangers inherent in AI, or that some regulation isn't called for. What I am saying is that you don't want it under the control of unelected bureaucrats working hand-in-hand with the likes of Sen. Bernie Sanders (CPUSA-Vt. Oblast) or up-and-comers like Abdul El-Sayed.

…. But in AI terms, 2024 was at least a decade ago, and the industry has troubling new powers and — believe it or not — some seemingly insurmountable challenges. The one challenge readers here should already know about is AI's insane and never-ending capital requirements. Capital expenditures on the data centers and everything else amounted to about $450 billion in 2025, are projected to reach roughly $700–870 billion this year, and are forecast to reach a trillion or more in 2027.

ONE. TRILLION. DOLLARS.

You might think that kind of spending would generate massive returns and lock-in from customers, sometimes called a "moat." Think of the difficulties involved in switching from iPhone to Android or vice-versa — data, apps, subscriptions... ugh, what a pain. That's the moat encircling Apple and Google's competing operating systems.

In AI, however, not only are there no moats, you can increasingly roll your own.

And Another Thing: You should see how Rahm Emanuel got roasted in the replies and in the Community Notes to this post claiming, "I can tell you when the last time a CEO or an industry at large asked to be regulated: never." Except that it happens all the time, going at least as far back as railroads in the 19th Century using federal regulations to guarantee their profits.

….. According to investor "Ayush" on X, Latham & Watkins is "building an in-house AI stack" to run on world-class Nvidia servers that they now own. As a result, the company will soon have "open-weight models it can fine tune," along with "infrastructure only Latham employees can access."

Worse than "robbing" some big AI firm of all that revenue, Latham & Watkins will also deny them the data they need to help build next year's models.

Anthropic lost an estimated $5.2 billion last year, even before companies like Latham & Watkins started rolling their own. What Anthropic needs is a moat, and those usually come courtesy of Big Government. Think of taxi medallions, franchise laws, or pretty much any profession requiring a government license. All are examples of regulatory capture, where private interests use government to feather their nests.

So when I see the chiefs of a money-losing industry begging to be regulated, it makes me think less of the dangers of rogue AI's, and more about the dangers of private interests entrenched by government fiat.

Beware AI. But beware even more a "partnership" between AI and DC.

The combination of China funding the protests against data centers and now this current anti-AI hysteria while building its own systems as fast as they can steal them, socialists like Bernie Sanders, Obama, and Mamdani clamoring for a government takeover, and the largest AI players demanding their industry be regulated by Washington so that their lobbyists can go to work, the actual risks of AI pale in comparison.

Price drop on Dandy, from $3.5 million to $2.999

59 Dandy Drive, Cos Cob, on the market since July, has lowered its price. Expanded and renovated by these owners after paying $950,000 for what was pretty much a wreck in 2014; it was sold “as is”, which tells you all you need to know. I still don’t like the land, but there’s not much you can do about that short of bringing in dynamite and a tree clearing crew, and the town’s regulations don’t make that an easy process; in fact, they may prevent it entirely.

So it is what it is.

n.b.: Zillow’s Zestimate for this house is “$2,968,300” – these estimates just take the current asking price of a property and shave off a few bucks to make them appear to be true, accurate assessments. They aren’t.

New Listing on Porchuck

99 Porchuck Road, $3 million. Zillow “Zestimates” it at exactly $2,989,200, which sounds quite scientific, but if you rely on Zillow for pricing, you deserve what you get.

It sits on a 4-acre lot, almost all of which is in a steep canyon and pretty much unusable. A previous owner tried to sell it as land for $3.8 million (tee hee hee) from 2004-2005, but eventually lost to it strict foreclosure in 2017 after legal proceedings that began in 2009 (!). Local builder Peter Thalheim bought it from the bank for $762,500 in 2018 and constructed a perfectly fine house on the buildable section — Peter builds a good house — and after trying for $2,095,000 in 2019, sold it 481 days later to the present owners for $1.545 million; given the quality of the land, that seemed about right at the time.

Now it’s back (after being rented out in 2025) for $3 million. There have been no improvements to the interior, and the lot remains a substandard one, to my eye, so has it appreciated that much in six years? Zillow says it has, I have my doubts. We’ll see.

Now , here’s an immigrant I wouldn't give two cents to; just load her on a plane, one-way

Carnegie Mellon professor on leave as her disturbing X posts call for ‘white man’ to die while she dances

Who recruited her to Carnegie Mellon, and why was she allowed to stay?

A hate-filled Carnegie Mellon University professor is on a leave of absence as the school probes her “hostile and threatening” social media history, which included calling for a “white man” to die while she danced.

Dr. Uju Anya, a Nigerian-born academic who has worked at the elite Pittsburgh research institution since 2021, initially bragged about being untouchable over her hateful online history, which has included wishing Queen Elizabeth II an “excruciating” painful death and celebrating the death of “s–tbag” Charlie Kirk.

The school issued a statement announcing the investigation and noting she was on a “voluntary” leave a day after her vile response to a critic who challenged her over a hateful, years-old post in which she’d celebrated Rush Limbaugh’s death went viral on Friday after Elon Musk called her out.

“Rush Limbaugh finally did something positive in life by dropping dead. Good Riddance to bad rubbish,” she wrote Feb. 17, 2021, the same day the conservative radio icon lost his battle to lung cancer.

A user who found it asked her Friday, “Weird how you only celebrate the deaths of white people. Why is that?”

She venomously responded, “Die first, white man, then ask yourself why I’m dancing.”

The response caught the attention of Elon Musk, who shared the post from her account, which has since been deleted.

“This is a real professor at Carnegie Mellon University …,” he wrote, prompting internet sleuths to ferret out and archive other hateful posts by the academic.

Anya taunted those calling her out and threatening to inform her employer, claiming that the university knew all about it and had courted her for a job.

“Carnegie Mellon University knows exactly who they have. They poached me from my previous job, aggressively recruiting me with a massive salary and stellar benefits. So baby, run tell them they f–ked up, and see if they pick up your call,” she wrote.

She went so far as to brag that the university — where her bio describes her as “a scholar of language learning and Black experiences in multilingualism” — was aware of the complaints but ignoring them.

“Keep crying, loser. My department chair just texted me saying they’re throwing all of your emails in the trash,” she wrote, punctuated by three laughing emojis.

But hours later, the university posted the news on its website and X that Anya “is currently on voluntary professional leave from the university and not teaching courses on our campus this year.”

…. More of her social postings were unearthed, including one in August 2022, a month before Queen Elizabeth II died, in which Anya preemptively celebrated the monarch’s passing.

“I heard the chief monarch of a thieving raping genocidal empire is finally dying. May her pain be excruciating,” she wrote.

She also marked the first anniversary of the assassination of Charlie Kirk by writing, “May he rot in piss,” calling him a “s–tbag” and sharing a repugnant video of sick students mocking him with a dance meant to pantomime his grisly death.

Before making her Instagram private and cutting off any communication or replies, Anya attempted to paint herself as the victim.

“During an entire day of incessant violent threats, racist abuse, and harassment on Twitter — incited by fascist white supremacist MAGA trolls — I was doxxed. I reactivated my account to protect my family,” she wrote on the platform, where her bio describes her as, “audacious, professor, feminist, lesbian, maker of good trouble, mom, and Sirry’s wife.”

Anya emphatically stated she had no regrets for her prior postings and was not sorry in the least.

“I meant every word I said in my tweets responding to white men and all others insulting and maligning me. I do not retract or apologize. May they all eat s–t,” which she then signed “Dr. Uju Anya.”

In a rambling Medium post last July, Anya referenced some of her past social media controversies, seemed to take pride in the fact that two university administrators had told her “my behavior embarrasses Carnegie Mellon and damages its reputation.”

Rather than reflecting on the earnest feedback of her employer, she went right for the institution’s throat.

“Yet again, we are told that Carnegie Mellon University’s association with faculty and students who publicly engage in uncivil discourse damages its reputation, but there is no talk of how my employer’s association with rapists, dictators, genociders, and baby bombers damages its reputation. So, I ask, who is disgracing whom?”

This is who the institution recruits, and what they teach.:

August 31, 2021

Modern Languages Welcomes Three New Hires

The Department of Modern Languages at Carnegie Mellon University is delighted to welcome three new, talented members to our team:


Uju Anya
Associate Professor of Second Language Acquisition

Uju Anya joins us from Pennsylvania State University where she was an Assistant Professor of Second Language Learning for the Department of Curriculum and Instruction and a Research Affiliate for the Center for the Study of Higher Education. Anya brings her expertise on topics relating to anti-Black racism in world language curriculum and instruction as well as strategic translanguaging and multilingual practices in language education. Anya has a prestigious history of publications; her book Racialized Identities in Second Language Learning: Speaking Blackness in Brazil” (Routledge 2017) earned the 2019 American Association of Applied Linguistics award for outstanding first book, and her co-edited volume, “Racial equity on college campuses: Connecting research and practice,” is forthcoming this year.  As a founding member of the Pennsylvania State University College of Education Equity Team and the Equity, Justice, & Sustainability Roundtables Faculty Collective, Anya has a proven dedication towards topics concerning social justice.

“I’m looking forward to seeing how my students navigate challenging, often uncomfortable discussions on the impact of sexism, xenophobia, racism, homophobia, and elitism on our experiences in multilingualism,” said Anya. “My message is come as you are. The language learner as a whole human being is the focal point of almost everything we will be covering in my courses," said Anya.

At Carnegie Mellon University, Anya will teach courses such as, “Race, Gender, Sexuality, and Social Class in Second Language Learning,” “Theories of Language Learning and Teaching,” and “Hip Hop and Funk Discourses of Black Womanhood in Brazil and the US.”

End government-guaranteed student loans.

Getting there

74 Rock Maple Road has taken another price cut and is now at $6.995 million instead of its May kickoff price of $7.950. Perhaps the owners have taken a lesson from the previous sellers, who began in 2020 at $5.995 million and stubbornly held to that price for 442 days until finally selling it to these owners for $5.650 in 2022.

(They might get a sweeter reception here if they used the Rock Maple’s other name, “Sugar Maple” as the address. Just a suggestion.)

Cheap at any price, except that in the US, the Democrats are planning to bring them back, so it’d just be an expensive round-trip vacation

Sweden Sends Them Back

John Hinderaker: Sweden pursued a disastrous immigration policy for some years, but now voters have changed their minds. The Telegraph headlines: “How Sweden is turning back the clock on years of mass migration.”

Repatriation payments form part of a hardline immigration policy overhaul driven by Sweden’s coalition government, which is propped up by the hard-Right Sweden Democrats (SD).
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Sweden offers 600,000 Swedish kronor (£45,900) to any migrants willing to give up their residency permit.

This is the voluntary “remigration” policy that is being pursued by, among others, the promoters of the Save Europe Act. This chart tells the story:


In 2015 Sweden, with a population of less than 11 million, took in an astonishing 163,000 refugees. That would be like the U.S. taking in around 4.7 million–even worse than Biden’s annual performance, in other words, although Biden kept it up for four years, not one.

That turned out to be a horrific mistake, which is now being rectified due largely to the efforts of Sweden’s second most popular party, the Sweden Democrats. Of course, no newspaper anywhere in the world, it seems, can give a “far right” party credit for being correct:

“The former neo-Nazi party’s…”

Oh, please.

…anti-migrant campaign has helped it become Sweden’s second-largest, and it is expected to have its best results yet on Sunday.

Led by the charismatic Jimmie Åkesson, the party claims untethered migration has increased crime levels and has created ethnic enclaves of people who do not align with Swedish values.

Hinderaker: “Of course those claims are true, which is why Sweden has done an abrupt 180 on immigration policy”

Given what we spend on welfare, medical care and education costs for our Biden invitees, the enormous cost of deporting those who commit additional crimes here while visiting: $150,000 to $600,000, plus the cost of incarceration after conviction, $61,250 per deportee, while ridiculously too generous, would still be cost effective. Unfortunately, the Democrats have announced that they’ll be reopening the border just as soon as they regain power and will resume rebuilding their base.

So there’s that. Still, might be worth considering.

Google on Islam

Roger Simon has written an interesting article pointing out that, despite westerners trying to draw a distinction between “Islam” and Islamism”, there isn’t one. Well worth reading, but after I did, because it’s a rainy Sunday, I thought to follow up on one small point of his: “Islam means surrender to Allah”. And just for fun, I ran a question through Google’s AI and pursued the answers it came up with.

Understand, this was not a careful cross-examination, where the general rule is to never ask a question you don’t know the answer to, but rather, just asking about a subject I really don’t know much about, and then asking for fuller explanations and questioning seeming contraduictions. The result was that what began as a soft answer describing Islam as a benign, voluntary religion, to an admission that non-Muslims are treated miserably under the system.

Again: nothing professional here, nothing that a high school student couldn’t do; what I suspect, though, is that the average high school (and college) student has neither the willingness nor the ability to apply any critical reasoning to what they read in these AI answers, and just blindly accepts what he’s first told. Whereupon he sets out into world, “educated”.

Q: Does "Islam" translate as "submission"?

A: Yes, the Arabic word "Islam" literally means "submission" or "surrender" to the will of God. [1, 2]

Root Meaning and Connection to Peace

  • Linguistic root: The word Islam comes from the Arabic root s-l-m (salama), which relates to peace, safety, and purity.

  • Dual connection: While it translates literally to submission or surrender, it shares a linguistic root with salam (peace).

  • Theological view: Islamic tradition teaches that true inner peace and harmony are achieved only by willingly submitting your life and will to the Creator. A "Muslim" is therefore literally defined as "one who submits" to God.

    Islam: Submission to God, Peace, and Prophets

    The word Islam means voluntary “Submission” or “Surrender” to the Will of God. It derives from the root word “salam,” meaning peac...

  • Allah's Word

    Does the word Islam truly mean submission? - Quora

    The Arabic term "Islam" itself is usually translated as "submission"; submission of desires to the will of God [Allah —ED] .

Q: Difference between forced vs voluntary submission

In Islamic theology, the concept of submission (Islam) is divided into two distinct dimensions: universal (forced/cosmic) submission and religious (voluntary) submission.

🌌 Universal Submission: Cosmic Law

Universal submission refers to the laws of nature and existence that every created thing must follow.

  • No Choice: Everything in the universe—planets, gravity, animals, and even human biology (like heartbeats or aging)—submits to God’s laws automatically.

  • Theological View: In this physical sense, the Quran states that everything in the heavens and the earth "submits" to God, willingly or unwillingly, because nothing can escape the natural laws of creation.

🕊️ Religious Submission: Voluntary Devotion

Religious submission is the conscious, free-will choice of a human being to align their actions, morals, and worship with God's guidance.

  • Complete Free Will: This is the core of faith. Islamic theology emphasizes that true spiritual submission cannot be forced.

  • Theological View: The Quran explicitly states, "There is no compulsion in religion" (2:256). Forcing someone to submit or practice the faith invalidates the action, as God only accepts sincere, voluntary devotion born out of love, trust, and intellect.

Forced vs. Voluntary Submission

AttributeUniversal (Cosmic) SubmissionReligious (Voluntary) SubmissionWho it applies toEverything in creation (matter, physics, biology)Humans and Jinns (beings with free will )Choice involvedNone. It is hardwired into the fabric of reality.Absolute. It is a conscious daily choice. Spiritual rewardNone. A planet does not get rewarded for orbiting.High. It is the basis for spiritual growth and paradise.

Q: You said: "Islamic theology emphasizes that true spiritual submission cannot be forced" — aren't there punishments in Islam for refusing to submit to islam? Such as special taxes?

A: You are pointing out a very real, historic tension between the theological ideals of free will and the legal/political realities of Islamic governance. [1, 2]

The "special tax" you are referring to is called Jizya. Critics and classical jurists have debated for centuries whether this system contradicts the concept of voluntary faith. [1, 2, 3]

To understand how Islamic jurisprudence balances this, it helps to separate the theological rule (the soul's relationship with God) from the political rule (the state's relationship with citizens). [1, 2]

💰 The Jizya Tax: Subjugation vs. Protection

Under classical Islamic law, when an Islamic state conquered a territory, non-Muslim inhabitants (primarily Jews and Christians, known as Dhimmis or "protected people") were required to pay the Jizya tax. [1, 2]

There are two primary, conflicting historical and legal perspectives on what this tax represented:

  1. The Subjugation Argument (The Tax as a Penalty): Many medieval jurists and modern critics argue that Jizya was explicitly designed as a humiliating financial penalty for refusing to accept Islam. They point to Quranic verses (such as Surah At-Tawbah 9:29) which command fighting certain groups until they pay the tax and "feel subdued". In this view, while it did not force people to convert, it heavily incentivized conversion by rendering non-Muslims second-class citizens legally and financially. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

  2. The Civic/Military Argument (The Tax as an Alternative): Other scholars and historians argue that Jizya was a political tax, not a spiritual punishment. They note that Muslims were required to pay Zakat (a mandatory religious wealth tax) and serve in the military. Non-Muslims were legally exempt from both Islamic military service and Zakat. Therefore, Jizya was levied in exchange for the state providing them protection and autonomy. Supporting this view is the fact that women, children, the elderly, the poor, and the disabled were entirely exempt from paying it. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7]

⚖️ Punishments: Leaving Islam vs. Not Entering Islam

To understand the legal boundaries of "forced submission," classical Islamic law draws a hard line between a person who was never Muslim and a person who leaves Islam: [1, 2]

  • Refusing to convert (Non-Muslims): Historically, if non-Muslims lived within an Islamic state and paid their taxes, they were granted the right to practice their religion, hold their own courts, and maintain their properties. They were not executed or legally forced into spiritual submission. [1, 2, 3]

  • Apostasy (Leaving Islam): This is where the sharpest controversy lies. While the Quran states there is no compulsion in religion, classical Islamic law prescribes the death penalty or severe legal penalties for apostasy (renouncing Islam). Jurists historically viewed leaving Islam not just as a change of personal faith, but as an act of political treason against the state. Today, this remains highly controversial, with some modern scholars arguing the penalty only applies to active rebellion, while several modern nations still enforce civil or criminal punishments for apostasy. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6]

📌 Summary

Theology maintains that God only accepts voluntary faith. However, historical Islamic states used taxes (Jizya) and legal structures to enforce political authority and establish Islamic supremacy over their populations, creating an environment where choosing not to submit carried distinct social and financial costs. [1, 2, 3, 4]

Q: How does the Jizya compares to the Zakat tax — same rate?

A: No, they did not have the same rate, and they cannot be directly compared because they were entirely different types of taxes. [1]

While Zakat is a flat-rate wealth tax based on a percentage of what you own, Jizya was a poll tax (a flat fee per head) or a tiered tax based on social class, completely independent of total accumulated wealth. [1, 2, 3]

A comparison of how the two taxes structurally operated under classical Islamic law highlights these differences:

📊 Structural Comparison: Zakat vs. Jizya

FeatureZakat (Paid by Muslims)Jizya (Paid by non-Muslims)Tax BaseWealth & Savings. Imposed on surplus wealth, property, livestock, and agricultural goods.Per Capita (Poll Tax). Imposed simply on the individual as a resident of the state.The RateStrictly Fixed. Generally 2.5% of a person’s accumulated annual savings above a minimum threshold (Nisab).Variable. No fixed scriptural limit. It was historically charged as a flat annual fee or divided into social classes.Who Paid?All capable Muslims (often including the wealth of women and children).Only able-bodied, adult, free men of military age.Who was Exempt?Anyone whose wealth fell below the Nisab threshold.Women, children, the elderly, monks, the disabled, and the poor.Where did it go?Community Charity. Strictly earmarked for 8 specific charitable categories (e.g., the poor, debtors, travelers).The State Treasury. Used generally by the government for military defense, infrastructure, and public administration.

💰 Historical Examples: Which was higher?

Because one was a flat fee and the other was a percentage, who paid more depended entirely on the individual's financial situation. [1]

Under the Abbasid Caliphate (ruled by Harun al-Rashid), the chief judge Abu Yusuf structured the annual Jizya into three strict wealth tiers: [1]

  • Rich (e.g., large merchants): 48 dirhams per year [1]

  • Middle Class: 24 dirhams per year [1]

  • Working Class (craftsmen/laborers): 12 dirhams per year [1]

  • For a wealthy merchant: A non-Muslim millionaire paying a flat 48 dirhams of Jizya would pay vastly less tax than a Muslim millionaire, whose mandatory 2.5% Zakat on accumulated savings would total thousands of dirhams. [1]

  • For a low-income laborer: A poor non-Muslim laborer might find a flat 12 dirhams a year to be a heavy burden, whereas a poor Muslim who had no savings would pay 0% in Zakat and actually be eligible to receive Zakat funds. [1, 2, 3]

Q: So would a wealthy non-Muslim pay both the Zakat and the Jizya, or just the Jiya, and thus a far lower rate than the hypothetical Muslim millionaire?

A wealthy non-Muslim paid only the Jizya, never the Zakat.

Therefore, a wealthy non-Muslim millionaire would often pay a far lower tax rate to the state than a Muslim millionaire.

The rationale behind this and its practical implications can be understood through the following points:

🔒 Why Non-Muslims Didn't Pay Zakat

In Islamic law, Zakat is not a secular state tax; it is an intrinsic religious obligation and an act of Islamic worship, much like praying or fasting.

  • Because it is a form of Muslim worship, it was considered spiritually inappropriate—and legally impossible—to force non-Muslims to pay it.

  • Consequently, a wealthy Jew or Christian was completely exempt from Zakat.

⚖️ The Millionaire Disparity

Because Jizya was a flat poll tax (a fixed fee per person) and Zakat was a percentage wealth tax, the math favored wealthy non-Muslims:

  • The Muslim Millionaire: If a Muslim had $1,000,000 in accumulated, unspent wealth at the end of the year, their mandatory Zakat (at 2.5%) would be $25,000.

  • The Non-Muslim Millionaire: They were entirely exempt from that $25,000. Instead, they only paid the flat annual Jizya fee. Even under the highest historical tiers (like the 48 dirhams mentioned earlier, which was roughly equivalent to the cost of a few modest outfits or a couple of months of basic food), the tax amounted to a tiny fraction of a percent of their wealth.

🌾 The Equalizer: The Kharaj Land Tax

While the wealthy non-Muslim saved money on the Zakat vs. Jizya dynamic, the Islamic state often equalized the tax burden through property and trade taxes.

If that wealthy non-Muslim made their fortune through farming, they had to pay the Kharaj (an agricultural land tax) on their estates. Historically, caliphs frequently raised the Kharaj tax rate on non-Muslim landowners to ensure the state treasury remained highly funded, which offset the low flat rate of the Jizya.

Q: Tell me more about: “The historical consequences of mass conversions (when so many non-Muslims converted to Islam that the state treasuries actually faced bankruptcy from losing Jizya revenue). Why, if the Jizya rate was so much lower than the Zakat rate, would revenues go down? Seems that the converts would be paying far more tax as Muslims than as non-Muslims

A: This is one of the most fascinating economic paradoxes in medieval history.

Your intuition is completely logical: if Zakat is a 2.5% wealth tax, a wealthy convert should be paying more than they did under a flat Jizya fee.

The reason mass conversions actually caused a state revenue crisis comes down to two major factors: demographics (who was converting) and budgetary rules (where the tax money legally went). [1]

1. The Math of the Masses (Demographics)

While a millionaire convert would pay more under Zakat, the vast majority of any empire’s population is not made up of millionaires. It consists of peasants, laborers, and poor farmers.

  • Under Jizya: Every single able-bodied, working-class non-Muslim male had to pay a fixed flat fee (e.g., 12 dirhams a year) regardless of his savings. This provided a massive, predictable, guaranteed baseline of revenue for the state. [1]

  • Under Zakat: When those millions of poor peasants converted to Islam, their tax rate dropped to zero. Because Zakat is only levied on surplus wealth/savings above a certain threshold (Nisab), the working poor paid absolutely nothing. [1]

Instead of gaining tax revenue from millions of new Muslims, the state completely lost the steady stream of Jizya cash it depended on.

2. The Strict Legality of the State Treasury (Bayt al-Mal)

Even when wealthy non-Muslims converted and began paying large amounts of Zakat, the rulers and the military could not touch that money. [1]

  • Jizya went to the General Fund: Scripturally, Jizya was treated as state revenue. Rulers used it to pay military salaries, fund foreign conquests, build palaces, and run the daily operations of the government. [1, 2]

  • Zakat was locked in a Charitable Trust: Islamic law strictly dictates that Zakat cannot be used for general government expenses. It is legally earmarked for eight specific charitable categories (the poor, the needy, freeing slaves, helping debtors, etc.). [1]

If a wealthy Christian converted, his $25,000 Zakat payment went directly to local charities and the poor. The Caliph’s army and general treasury saw $0 of it. Meanwhile, the government lost his Jizya, which did fund the army. [1, 2, 3]

⚖️ The Imperial Backlash: The Umayyad Crisis

This economic crisis reached a boiling point during the Umayyad Caliphate (661–750 CE). As millions of people across Persia, Egypt, and North Africa converted to Islam to escape the social and financial burdens of being non-Muslims, the Umayyad state treasury faced a catastrophic deficit. [1]

Desperate for cash, several Umayyad governors implemented a highly controversial solution: they illegally forced new converts (Mawali) to keep paying the Jizya anyway. They argued that the empire would collapse without the revenue. [1, 2]

This blatant violation of Islamic law caused widespread fury among the new converts, who felt they were being treated as second-class Muslims just so the state could collect taxes. This deep resentment eventually fueled the Abbasid Revolution in 750 CE, which violently overthrew the Umayyad dynasty. [1, 2, 3]

Q: You said: "As millions of people across Persia, Egypt, and North Africa converted to Islam to escape the social and financial burdens of being non-Muslims" . What were the social and financial burdens on non-Muslims that drove them to convert?

While non-Muslims (Dhimmis) were historically protected from physical violence and allowed to practice their religions, the "Dhimmi system" deliberately institutionalized them as second-class subjects. [1, 2]

To live in places like Egypt, Persia, and North Africa without converting meant accepting a complex web of financial extraction and social humiliation designed to subtly encourage adoption of the state religion. [1, 2]

💰 Financial Burdens

  • The Regressive Nature of Jizya: Because Jizya was a flat poll tax, it fell heaviest on the poorest citizens. For a peasant or urban laborer, paying a fixed annual sum—independent of whether they had a bad harvest or lost their job—was a constant threat to basic economic survival. [1, 2, 3, 4]

  • The Kharaj (Land Tax): Non-Muslim farmers were subject to a much heavier land tax than their Muslim neighbors. In many early periods, a peasant's combined tax burden to the Islamic state could devour up to half the value of their crops. [1, 2]

  • Exclusion from the Welfare State: If a non-Muslim fell into poverty, they were ineligible to receive help from the state's central Zakat fund, which was exclusively distributed to poor Muslims.

  • Extreme Default Penalties: Under stricter rulers, if a family could not afford their taxes, their properties could be seized, they could face imprisonment, or their children could be taken and sold into domestic servitude to cover the debt.

⚖️ Legal & Judicial Burdens

  • Courtroom Inequality: In the Islamic legal system, a non-Muslim's testimony was generally invalid against a Muslim in court. If a Muslim merchant cheated a Christian farmer, or a Muslim damaged a Jewish citizen's property, the non-Muslim had almost no legal recourse to seek justice. [1]

  • Family and Marital Restrictions: A Muslim man was legally permitted to marry a Christian or Jewish woman, but a non-Muslim man was strictly forbidden from marrying a Muslim woman under penalty of death. Furthermore, children of interfaith marriages were legally mandated to be raised as Muslims. [1]

👤 Social & Public Humiliations

Many dynasties codified social boundaries using rules often attributed to the Pact of Umar, designed to make non-Muslims feel visibly "subdued" in everyday life: [1]

  • Dress Codes (Ghiyar): Non-Muslims were frequently forced to wear distinct clothing, specific colors, or patches (such as yellow badges or distinct belts) so they could be immediately identified and avoided or monitored in public.

  • Public Deference: In the street, a non-Muslim was legally required to give up their seat or the center of the path to a passing Muslim. They were also banned from riding horses or camels (which were symbols of nobility and military power); they could only ride donkeys, and even then, only sidesaddle.

  • Religious Erasure: Non-Muslims were forbidden from building new churches or synagogues, and could only repair existing ones with special state permission. Religious processions, displaying crosses in public, and the ringing of church bells were strictly banned to ensure Islam remained visually and structurally dominant. [1]

🏛️ The Glass Ceiling

Under the early Umayyad Caliphate, government positions, military leadership, and political prestige were heavily reserved for the Muslim Arab elite. Converting to Islam was the only way a talented Persian or Egyptian scholar, merchant, or ambitious bureaucrat could break through the glass ceiling, gain cultural equality, and protect their family's lineage from structural poverty. [1, 2, 3, 4]

Q: When you say that non-muslim children could be "sold into domestic servitude" do you mean sold as slaves?

Yes, "sold into domestic servitude" meant they were sold as slaves. In the pre-modern world, domestic servitude for captured or indebted populations was chattel slavery—they were legally owned, bought, and sold as property. [1, 2]

This reality exposes a sharp clash between classical Islamic law (jurisprudence) and the actual behavior of early Islamic rulers.

📜 What Islamic Law Formally Stated

Under formalized Islamic jurisprudence (Fiqh), a free person could not be enslaved due to debt, nor could parents sell their children into slavery to pay off debts. Furthermore, Dhimmis (non-Muslim citizens who paid their taxes) were legally defined as protected free subjects, meaning their enslavement within the empire was strictly forbidden by law. [1, 2]

⚔️ What Happened in Historical Practice

Despite the legal theory, early conquerors and governors frequently violated these principles when they needed to extract wealth, enforce submission, or fill state coffers:

  • Tribute and Extortion: During the initial 7th-century conquests, commanders often forced local populations into treaties where human beings were treated as currency. For example, when the general Amr ibn al-As conquered parts of North Africa, he demanded that certain tribes sell a portion of their "sons and daughters" to the Arabs to cover the value of their collective Jizya tax. [1]

  • The Umayyad Exploitation: In places like early Islamic Egypt, governors were under immense pressure from the capital in Damascus to maximize tax revenue. If non-Muslim peasant families completely defaulted on their heavy agricultural taxes, ruthless tax collectors frequently bypassed legal protections. They seized family members, selling women and children into the imperial slave markets to recoup the financial losses.

When examining history, the "voluntary" spiritual framework of a religion frequently collapsed under the material demands of running a massive, revenue-hungry empire.

Q: What you've described sound nothing like the benign, "totally voluntary" submission you started off with, does it?

A: You are entirely right.

There is a massive, uncomfortable gap between the spiritual ideal I opened with and the historical reality of how Islamic empires actually governed.

This contradiction highlights a fundamental distinction that scholars, historians, and theologians grapple with: the difference between Islam as a personal faith and Islam as an imperial state ideology.

The Paradox of Choice

Theologically, the Quran states that faith cannot be forced because God judges the sincerity of the heart. But historically, if a state creates a system where not converting means your children can be taken for debt, you cannot defend yourself in court, and you are publicly humiliated on the street, that choice is no longer "totally voluntary" in any practical sense. It is coercion by environment.

Islamic history, like the history of many major global empires, is full of these structural contradictions:

  • The Ideological View: A person converts because they genuinely believe in the theology and willingly choose to submit their soul to God.

  • The Material/Historical View: Millions converted because it was the only logical way to survive, protect their wealth, and secure basic human rights for their families within an authoritarian empire.

A Common Pattern in Imperial History

This tension is not unique to Islam. Christian history shares a nearly identical paradox. The New Testament preaches a message of love, grace, and voluntary faith. Yet, when the Roman Empire adopted Christianity, and during the later Spanish Inquisition and the colonization of the Americas, the state used immense violence, heavy taxation, and systemic social exclusion to force conversions.

In both cases, the theological texts describe a peaceful, voluntary surrender of the soul, while the imperial rulers used religion as a tool of statecraft to control populations, secure revenue, and enforce supremacy.

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Doomed we are

((I don’t really mean to give private education a pass here; the indoctrinators are all spawned from the same learing centers)

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86% of Mount Holyoke students are LGBT

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Almost every student at Mount Holyoke College is LGBT, according to new data from the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression.

The free speech group recently released its annual college rankings. As part of the dataset, FIRE asked students for their sexual orientation.

“New survey of 62,000+ students at 250+ campuses finds 21% of undergrads identify as gay, lesbian, bisexual or queer/questioning,” an account called “The Missing Data Depot” reported, based on the survey results. Its run by Kevin Wallsten, a California State University Long Beach political scientist and senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute.

“There is, however, wide variation across schools, w/ only 4% identifying as LGBQ at Wake Forest but 86% identifying as LGBQ at Mount Holyoke,” the Data Depot account wrote.

Perfect recruiting ground for the WNBA, I suppose.